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people of the internet from sunny San

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spent many in episodes reversing these

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and the more we learn about

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consciousnesses role in reality the more

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important what one believes to be

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possible seems to be yet so many

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slack-jawed sheeple caught up in the rat

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fabricated lifestyle don't even know

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the board GMOs to feed the world's

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growing population chemical cocktails

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sold as some sick backwards medicine and

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of digging show

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that not only are there usually many

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better ways in most cases the system

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actively suppresses the truth to the

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point of painting it as fantasy but fear

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not friends because beyond the

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razzle-dazzle of a big machine bright

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minds are putting the pieces back

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together in a whole host of areas and

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one that's making a lot of waves right

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now is new energy call it Oregon zero

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point either over unity or

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electromagnetism but several suppressed

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cleaner more efficient and more abundant

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energies by harmonizing with our natural

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breakthrough energy movement and the new

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energy movement that actually worked to

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promote vet and protect these working

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engines batteries and machines as well

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as the inventors brave enough to upset

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the economic applecart of the capstone

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cabal well two of these fun folks are

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with us today gene Manning and Susan

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manwich the co-authors of a great new

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book called hidden energy Tesla inspired

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inventors and a mindful path to energy

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abundance and these ladies are on the

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front lines of this new paradigm every

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day gene approached these new energy

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inventions as a skeptical journalist

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over 30 years ago and was clearly

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impressed with the field as she's been

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which she is the president of the new

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energy movement and has spent 20 years

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technology and better understanding

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let it be known that Susan was also a

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extraordinary experience research in

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Cambridge Massachusetts under the late

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great John Mack and Susan's greatest

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passion is working with new

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consciousness global strategies and

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emerging technologies to help humanity

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override the current program here they

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are to tell us about their new book

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hidden energy and tell us exactly what's

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the secret sciences and true advocates

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for the post-scarcity system Jean and

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Susan welcome to the higher side thank

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you thank you so much but a tremendous

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introduction I'm all excited now I try I

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try and thanks for being here this is

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super exciting the topic of free energy

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and a deep dive into what's going on in

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this space is one of the most exciting

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things to me right now we've been lucky

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enough to have many of the bright minds

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in your book on as previous guests Aaron

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wal Thornhill and Gerald [\h__\h] just to

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really covers the spread of all this

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fascinating stuff is super impressive we

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presented with that prompted you to be

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as dedicated on this as you have been

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for the last three decades clearly this

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stuff has been validated to you beyond

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hypotheticals right yes it has the first

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one was years ago a scientist dennis

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craven validating the Patterson Power

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Cell independent testing in front of a

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group of very critical people and then

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home experiments that proved it's

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possible to use just

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making circuits that use principles of

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resonance to end up with more power

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output than input and it's not violating

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any law of conservation of energy in the

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same with the approaches to the magnetic

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motor generators they're really not

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violating the law of conservation of

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energy when they find ways to build

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things differently to get around the

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limitations of something called Lenz's

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law which we can go into later so I'm

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sociology actually but I am interested

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in the big picture just like susan is

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and the implications for humankind are

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tremendous yes and I understand why

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other journalists shy away from the

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field because it has been so

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marginalized and it's you know

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embarrassing to them to become an

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advocate or to interested we're taught

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to be distant and rather cynical for

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good reason

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but over the years it's been clear to me

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that their will is as you say meat on

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the bones and there really are real

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developments that prove that what they

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are trying to do is possible which is

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actually to bring clean energy abundance

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to humankind

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there are many layers many many layers

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of interest from the physical

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I'm tired of chopping wood her fires

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here in British Columbia all the way up

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to spiritual implications the more

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people possibly looking at the new

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science and new physics and realizing

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that the phrase we're all interconnected

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is not just words or speculation or

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somebody's mathematical theory it's a

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truth that we're all embedded and

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swimming in this and immersed and

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interpenetrated with this sea of energy

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and so what we do to one person we do to

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ourselves so the implications are so

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huge that's more my interest with a

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background in sociology I want to know

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what this can do for people for ordinary

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people or groups of people for societies

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yes very well said and that is exactly

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my motivation to just the big picture is

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so exciting and there's just so much

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depth to this stuff and it isn't just

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one inventor one discovery here and

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there there's a long lineage of

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different things and they're

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compartmentalized because a lot of these

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people didn't talk to each other along

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which also makes it difficult because

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they come up with their own terms and

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all that kind of stuff but it is very

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exciting and to bring Susan in here so

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often if I want to do a show about these

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things we go to the inventors and the

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engineers at least the ones willing to

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talk but this is a little different you

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do have a master's in science but I've

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heard you say that it's about a lot more

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than just having a working device you're

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going up against a lot of powerful

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interests who specialize in keeping

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these things behind the curtain and

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you're dealing with a programmed

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populace so I've heard you describe your

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role as a

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motor or a strategist or an advocate

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talk to us about these roadblocks and

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challenges that you try to address that

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are necessary beyond just building a

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free energy device yeah that's a very

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big question and it has you know there's

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a lot of answers to it because I think

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we have to understand there is a

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suppression aspect you know that has

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happened and that has gone on I mean

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that's something that has occurred right

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so we say that's there no to what degree

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but then you you also look at the fact

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that this information has not been out

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for a lay person to understand so if

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people don't have awareness about

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something like this being possible then

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that's not even gonna hit their radar

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screen right so it makes it easier for

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things to go underneath a table and

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never come out you know it like topics

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such as this and then you also have you

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know the consciousness of people whether

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you want to call it consciousness

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mindfulness emotional intelligence you

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know I mean there's differences to each

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of those things I just said but the

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human aspect of

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how inventors are coming up with their

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ideas what they think is working versus

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what doesn't really work the field of

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who they have in their social support

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system who they have in their actual

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work support system I mean this is one

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of the fields that has the greatest

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opportunity to shift you know so much of

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what we're doing on this planet but at

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the same time it's not organized well

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are able to organize I think fairly well

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that have you know fairly decent streams

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of funding but that's really rare and I

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things to address at the same time one

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of which is just showing people that

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this is possible that this is feasible

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this is possible and there's something

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that hits individuals cognitive

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dissonance that says well this just

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can't be I mean we've heard a number of

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stories that inventors have a device

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that's working they'll show it to

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someone at a university or whatnot and

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the person at the University says well

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no this just can't be and then they walk

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out of the room so you know you've got

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this dissonance that occurs as well so

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you know there's again a number of

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different things I mean we could we'd

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have to get more specific questions to

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break that piece down and one of the

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things that you know I do speak about as

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well as

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the financial part as it relates to the

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devices you know we have this idea that

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we'll just put money into the

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development of these devices and then

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boom you know you're gonna have one

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that's working and you can go buy it at

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Kmart or Walmart or wherever Mart and

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you know that's not these devices don't

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seem to work in that type of way now why

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is the question that it makes us dig

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deeper as human beings of well maybe we

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really need to uplevel ourselves and

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maybe we need to uplevel how we hold the

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development of these devices in the

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potential distribution of them in a much

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more conscious way hmm I love it I love

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it and something I've heard you talk

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about as one of those little roadblocks

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and challenges that you kind of try to

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address is the idea of sharing plans or

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having safeguards against the loss of a

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single person decentralizing that

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knowledge because as you say there are

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times where one person starts to try to

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introduce what they've discovered to the

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system either through a university or

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through the patent office or something

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and that is when we don't see them

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anymore and their material is lost

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because they haven't shared it with any

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other experts and now the system has an

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easier time dismissing what that person

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discovered because they just say well

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where is it you know why isn't someone

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else in it so I think that's really

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smart and strategic and I like that we

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can say this is a field now because it

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really wasn't a field all that long ago

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mmm yeah I think it has become a field

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now you know someone like gene who's

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been doing this for 30 years I mean the

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level of bravery and courage is huge to

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be able to say hey this is what I'm

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writing about this is what I'm doing

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right so now you know with YouTube

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Twitter social media we're getting

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additional information that this is a

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greater possibility and it's not just

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living with one inventor that happens to

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live in a certain part of the world or

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another that you're seeing inventors all

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over the world so this is something that

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seems to be happening on a global scale

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so it demystifies it as being something

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that you know is this

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anomaly so to speak and that's a good

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thing and one of the things that I would

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also add is what I've been seeing from

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my world now is it just because it's my

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world I don't think so

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but I've been seeing inventors with a

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willingness to collaborate more and

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earlier on you know what I assad and

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gene can speak to her experiences is

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there is a lot of you know holding that

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information in in for again a whole host

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of different reasons we think well they

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must hold it in because you know they're

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afraid they're gonna get killed or

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whatever it no it's sometimes it's not

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like that

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sometimes they hold it in for reasons

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that is idiosyncratic to them but I'm

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seeing less and less of that like we

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work with inventor teams that

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collaborate quite freely and their main

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interest is about bringing these

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technologies because they believe that

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there's a shift that on the planet

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that's occurring and they have it to do

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you know they've got a mission here and

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that's to bring these in and bring these

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out to assist with this shift so I guess

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one has to look at the values that the

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inventor is holding and exhibiting and

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seeing you know we'll where is that in

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alignment with the other inventors and

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now we've been seeing that more and more

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often and it's less of a problem it

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seems these days than it was in the past

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mmm mm-hmm yes and of course there's

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just that classic issue as well that

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artists and inventors might not be the

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best business people that is an element

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as well I get that in the book itself

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you list many of the devices and

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processes that are yielding results

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employing natural tools the Vortech

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structure to convert energy times pulse

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electricity for big output from tiny

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input special geometries and natural

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ratios that seemed to help toroidal

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motion discharging voltage abruptly into

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an unsettled plasma I mean a lot of this

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stuff just is kind of a word salad to me

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but I've seen these different things

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like even cavitation people are doing

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really interesting things with just

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water and

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bubbles and of course electrogravitics

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is in there I guess I would ask Jean

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with three decades looking at this stuff

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can you talk to us about some of the may

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be different types of devices or even

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the the lab testing and the vetting that

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maybe you've seen or been a part of to

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help the listeners understand how

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significant and how broad and really how

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authentic these things are yes when it

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comes to the lab testing Susan's seeing

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more recent examples of it the varieties

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is one of the parts that I really have

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enjoyed that we're not putting all our

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eggs in one basket sort of analogy but

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rather it's a choice it's more of a rich

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diversity which is really more like the

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natural world too

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which goes along with the theme of

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tapping into energy that's available

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naturally rather than smashing an atom

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to try to get some power so yeah that

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what they have in common is that they're

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all striving for approaches that don't

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have polluting side-effects and getting

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there so yeah the first one that that I

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encountered was the magnetics and it's

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pretty interesting to hear the people

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that are really passionate about the

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possibilities of working with the new

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super-powerful permanent magnets while

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they were new at the time that I caught

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in the really super strong magnets that

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can hold so many more times their own

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weight so that in itself is violating

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what the old textbook said that magnets

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can't do work so the question came up

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well where does the power come from and

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that's what led the first inventor that

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I ever met to start seeking an answer to

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that and he looked here and there and

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everywhere in it at the time there

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wasn't as much talk about zero-point

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energy

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he ended up naming his company prom

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technology because of the ancient term

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prana which is in another word for the

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background energy of the universe or

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farther along on the

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spectrum toward a living energy is the

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life force

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and that caught my imagination had the

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possibilities they would have to

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overcome not by brute force because that

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just doesn't work they would have to

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overcome something it's called Lenz's

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law which means that there's always a

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back force that comes up when magnets

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move past an electric coil or the other

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way around and that fights against the

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forward moving motion of a rotor so

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there's always that to contend with and

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because of that reality the way motors

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and generators were built you always had

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the problem of you could not get out

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more than you put in you couldn't even

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be very efficient because of the problem

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of having to continually input power to

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overcome that force so over the years

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that problem has gradually been solved

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in various ways

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resonant technology host

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electromagnetism just building things

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with a different geometry so there's

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that approach that the first one that I

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encountered encountered back in 1981 the

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1889 the big announced of it about so

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called cold fusion which was miss named

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from the beginning and it's still a

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rather mysterious field were in which

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the scientists that have worked in that

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field many years know that there is

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something going on that the mainstream

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is avoiding looking at that has real

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implications for humankind but they

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acknowledge that they haven't really

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nailed exactly what is going on there

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are different theories so that's an

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interesting subfield because it's where

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most of the PhDs have come into the

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scene

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and some of those academics that came in

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because of the widespread publicity

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about that cold fusion so-called

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announcement those who actually have

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enough courage and curiosity and

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scientific honesty to pursue the

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anomalies and stayed in the field and

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continued to meet in conferences yearly

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a few of those also had the courage to

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look a little bit farther afield and say

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well look at what we're finding out you

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know one one of the scientists is a

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material expert who looked at

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microscopic vortices involved in certain

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nanomaterials that were used in some of

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the cold fusion experiments and that led

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him to be more open to the possibility

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that there are other things going on

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academia was missing and so when he

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encountered well.you we write about the

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encounter with the manila's device which

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is a solid-state device instead of just

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jumping in his car and getting out of

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there as fast he could when he saw

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something that he couldn't explain with

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the science that he'd been taught he

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hung around and he convinced the

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inventor to actually test him with

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testing the device and bring in his team

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to test it in a very rigorous way and

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they found out that wow this does go

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beyond anything we've ever taught hmm

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yes and in fact that was exactly the

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example that that I was going to bring

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up because Arthur man Alice he had this

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electric car and as you write in the

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book the battery that powered it was

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based on the work of Floyd Sparky sweet

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I think we've talked about him and past

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shows but he of course had passed but

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Arthur built on that and when it was

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tested and vetted by scientists and

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engineers you right they drove the car

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for 25 miles with four passengers the

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battery capacity increased from 68% when

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they started to 89% then they left the

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car sit for a week hooked it up to all

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this equipment and it recharged itself

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and the most interesting part another

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quote from the book data logging

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recording substantial dips and energy at

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certain times

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the engineers combing over the data

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found an exact correlation between those

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dips and the aurora borealis events they

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were baffled by interaction between the

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device and the magnetosphere that

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surrounds the earth and that is one of

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those mind blowers that is is really

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just hard to wrap your head around but

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it's also just an exciting clue to the

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interconnectedness of everything I guess

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yes that really jumped out at me too I

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tie it in in my mind with the Oregon

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experiments that show that at different

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times of day sunset and sunrise there is

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a difference it seems in the strength of

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this life force field around the planet

551
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:44,060
and other very sensitive inventions that

552
00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:46,370
strangely operate differently in

553
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:48,950
different locations and at different

554
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:53,150
times a day so there's so much more

555
00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:55,370
going on that's not taught in the

556
00:23:59,860 --> 00:23:57,230
strictly materialistic if you can't

557
00:24:01,540 --> 00:23:59,870
measure it it isn't real or if we can't

558
00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:01,550
measure it with the instruments that we

559
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:04,840
have you know we don't really maybe have

560
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,190
instruments of the sensitivity that

561
00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:09,200
would measure this whatever the life

562
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:11,720
force is a subtler level of energy or a

563
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:16,190
higher frequency whatever's going on the

564
00:24:20,830 --> 00:24:17,950
test instruments that are used in

565
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:20,840
standard science and engineering just

566
00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:24,140
don't detect it mm-hmm

567
00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:27,380
funny how that is because it is

568
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:28,550
difficult when you learn how many

569
00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:30,230
different roads there are to get there

570
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:32,600
it's like then you start trying to

571
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:34,310
reverse-engineer well how is this a

572
00:24:38,650 --> 00:24:35,870
secret and then you think about all the

573
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:38,660
people going to school for in the energy

574
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:40,250
field and then the sciences and you're

575
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:43,550
like man it's quite genius I guess how

576
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:45,950
they've crafted this box that the

577
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,410
brightest minds can study this stuff for

578
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:49,760
years come out and become the best

579
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:53,210
experts but yet it's all the important

580
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:55,010
stuff was is hidden and they don't seem

581
00:24:59,070 --> 00:24:57,050
to stumble upon it all that that often

582
00:25:03,010 --> 00:24:59,080
that's what's fascinating to me

583
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,020
well the vested interests have had about

584
00:25:10,419 --> 00:25:06,320
nearly a century to

585
00:25:12,639 --> 00:25:10,429
make sure that people marginalize any

586
00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:12,649
certain types of knowledge that might

587
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:17,000
lead us to these discoveries when we're

588
00:25:22,509 --> 00:25:20,090
really really kept constantly bombarded

589
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:22,519
with putting Einstein up on a pedestal

590
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:25,789
as if everything in the relativity

591
00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:29,809
theories is just sacred even though

592
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:32,630
Einstein himself admitted at the end of

593
00:25:40,269 --> 00:25:36,169
his life in a letter that is in public

594
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:40,279
knowledge that he really doubted what he

595
00:25:44,579 --> 00:25:42,820
had said and Billy

596
00:25:46,049 --> 00:25:44,589
thought that there really isn't

597
00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:46,059
so-called ether

598
00:25:52,619 --> 00:25:48,789
now I say so-called it's just one of the

599
00:25:55,769 --> 00:25:52,629
names I actually like that name because

600
00:25:58,079 --> 00:25:55,779
it has the ancient echoes yes I like

601
00:25:59,339 --> 00:25:58,089
that term ether too it's just one of

602
00:26:01,560 --> 00:25:59,349
those funny things that we sometimes

603
00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:01,570
stumble over the language because there

604
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:03,339
are so many words referencing the same

605
00:26:08,069 --> 00:26:06,190
kind of stuff and Susan to bring you

606
00:26:11,129 --> 00:26:08,079
back in here when it comes to the

607
00:26:13,229 --> 00:26:11,139
conferencing today are these devices

608
00:26:15,749 --> 00:26:13,239
that are demonstrated just powering a

609
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,759
small light bulb or have you seen bigger

610
00:26:20,629 --> 00:26:18,159
things that could actually power a house

611
00:26:23,069 --> 00:26:20,639
or power a car as well or better than

612
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:23,079
anything from the mainstream

613
00:26:27,209 --> 00:26:24,609
how close are these things

614
00:26:30,509 --> 00:26:27,219
developmentally to a tried and true

615
00:26:33,239 --> 00:26:30,519
rollout I would say that it's going

616
00:26:35,249 --> 00:26:33,249
through its evolutionary phase there's

617
00:26:37,349 --> 00:26:35,259
the world that I see right you know so

618
00:26:39,059 --> 00:26:37,359
gene had alluded to the fact that we get

619
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:39,069
involved in testing and betting and we

620
00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:42,609
do like when I got into this field I got

621
00:26:49,889 --> 00:26:46,839
into it with an understanding that we're

622
00:26:52,409 --> 00:26:49,899
moving towards a subtler way of living

623
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:52,419
in being it's something that I'll say

624
00:26:57,719 --> 00:26:54,549
that I came in with that it was

625
00:26:59,039 --> 00:26:57,729
basically like okay you know why are we

626
00:27:00,329 --> 00:26:59,049
doing the things that we're doing to the

627
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:00,339
planet why are we creating these

628
00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:02,049
different technologies that seems to be

629
00:27:05,729 --> 00:27:04,509
taking away versus being an alignment

630
00:27:08,369 --> 00:27:05,739
you know that's something that's just

631
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:08,379
been like a natural thought for me so

632
00:27:12,629 --> 00:27:10,690
when I got into this arena I'm also a

633
00:27:15,569 --> 00:27:12,639
New Englander were pretty pragmatic

634
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:15,579
people even though I lived in Hawaii for

635
00:27:19,529 --> 00:27:16,809
a couple of years you know that

636
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:19,539
pragmatism is just kind of there you

637
00:27:24,089 --> 00:27:21,329
know I said to myself all right well

638
00:27:26,939 --> 00:27:24,099
let's see it let's see what's working

639
00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:26,949
when I first got into this arena there

640
00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:29,949
was a lot of stories and the stories are

641
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:31,629
great and they're interesting and

642
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,129
they're charismatic and they pull

643
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:35,440
people's energy in but you know a

644
00:27:41,639 --> 00:27:38,440
story's a story and let's say you're

645
00:27:44,069 --> 00:27:41,649
taking money to develop a device but you

646
00:27:45,809 --> 00:27:44,079
don't have a working prototype or you

647
00:27:48,059 --> 00:27:45,819
have a theory and again this is not a

648
00:27:50,639 --> 00:27:48,069
negative thing it's just saying okay you

649
00:27:52,649 --> 00:27:50,649
know where are we really at with who has

650
00:27:55,199 --> 00:27:52,659
what and what does that really look like

651
00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:55,209
and one of the things that surprised me

652
00:28:00,480 --> 00:27:56,590
the most was the

653
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:00,490
amount of stories in this arena without

654
00:28:04,289 --> 00:28:02,890
actually having a physical device and I

655
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:04,299
thought to myself well that's a little

656
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:08,620
strange and then as I got into it more

657
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:11,230
and more I realized that I started to

658
00:28:16,289 --> 00:28:14,070
gravitate towards people that had

659
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:16,299
physical devices that were really you

660
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:17,950
know I call and this is where Jean and I

661
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:19,690
obviously really hit it off as well

662
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:22,270
because this is what she did and you

663
00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:24,070
know some of her colleagues that then

664
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,100
became our colleagues and it was that

665
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,960
that pragmatism of you know getting in

666
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:31,600
there and really working it and trying

667
00:28:39,299 --> 00:28:36,309
to get more power out if then power in

668
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:39,309
and I went ah ha you know this is where

669
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:41,740
I really need to be so this is what I

670
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:43,750
was gravitating towards so you know as

671
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:45,460
you asked about the field as a whole

672
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:47,470
you've got folks that have theories

673
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:49,000
you've got folks that have ideas you

674
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:50,620
have people that have raised money on

675
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:53,409
the backs of a promise without actually

676
00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:56,830
having a working prototype so what I saw

677
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:00,010
for myself was geez if you're trying to

678
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,289
run a legitimate organization you know

679
00:29:06,659 --> 00:29:04,240
where you're creating advocacy around

680
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:06,669
for these folks and for these devices

681
00:29:10,529 --> 00:29:09,220
there has to be some parameters here

682
00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:10,539
there's got to be some guardrails

683
00:29:17,639 --> 00:29:14,260
otherwise this isn't credible and how do

684
00:29:20,909 --> 00:29:17,649
you work to bring awareness of something

685
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:20,919
that is this huge if the credibility

686
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:22,990
piece isn't there you know so yeah I

687
00:29:28,139 --> 00:29:25,000
have a master's in science and you know

688
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:28,149
you want to be able to go to look at XYZ

689
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,860
and see how it all fits and makes sense

690
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:31,840
and have a paper trail that goes along

691
00:29:36,029 --> 00:29:33,640
with it or some type of a trail that

692
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:36,039
goes along with it in terms of validity

693
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:39,820
so we've worked really hard within our

694
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:42,610
sphere within our group to come up with

695
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:45,190
testing and vetting protocols and I

696
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:48,370
think what you'll find is you know 95%

697
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:51,340
of the devices don't work as tested now

698
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:52,630
somebody could say well that's because

699
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:54,190
you know as Jean alluded to that the

700
00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:56,140
testing measurement may not be that

701
00:30:00,180 --> 00:29:58,120
great well that could be some of the

702
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:00,190
variables as well but you know we try to

703
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:03,070
use the latest and greatest up-to-date

704
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:05,830
devices and I am NOT an engineer but I

705
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:08,289
work with a lot of engineers who are

706
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:10,150
really good at what they do

707
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:11,800
you know again we're a close-knit team

708
00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:15,220
so where are we really at what I would

709
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:18,040
say as a whole right now what seems to

710
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:19,870
be and I'm gonna take a leap here and

711
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:21,930
say something because there is a lot of

712
00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:27,430
buzz in the alternative media and you

713
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:30,400
know you do see it on CNN and you are

714
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,440
seeing it you know posted in other

715
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:34,720
places like more mainstream magazines

716
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:39,360
and news outlets that the Navy has

717
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:43,450
patented a device that can create I

718
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:45,070
don't know if they use the words over

719
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:46,450
unity I don't have the article in front

720
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:49,420
of me but you're seeing more of this

721
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,640
information popped out in the public

722
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,960
domain and then you're seeing more of

723
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:54,840
this information on alternative media

724
00:31:01,170 --> 00:30:59,080
but on my side of what I do see and why

725
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:01,180
I'm going to say it's aside is there

726
00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:04,300
seems to be more inventors that are

727
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:06,520
getting inspired to create these

728
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:09,430
different technologies coupled with the

729
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:11,530
fact that

730
00:31:16,289 --> 00:31:14,110
we seem to be at this space in place

731
00:31:18,899 --> 00:31:16,299
where you have a lot of what I would

732
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:18,909
call working prototypes but those

733
00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:21,580
prototypes do have an issue of

734
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:24,460
consistency and have an issue of

735
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:26,740
scalability so you could have a working

736
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:28,210
prototype but let's say it's you know

737
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:30,010
outputting a certain amount of power but

738
00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:32,200
maybe that needs to be scaled a bit more

739
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:34,780
maybe it needs to work for a much longer

740
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:37,270
period of time so that's where it seems

741
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:39,130
like the field is at right now it's not

742
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:42,070
so much as are these things real I think

743
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,440
they are real at least what I can see I

744
00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:46,000
think gene would probably say the same

745
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:47,559
thing otherwise we probably wouldn't be

746
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:50,500
doing this but it's an issue it seems of

747
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:53,710
our maturity in how I mean energy is a

748
00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:57,520
big deal it's a big deal how we use the

749
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:00,700
electron is a big deal not even getting

750
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:04,870
into a spiritual conversation it's a big

751
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:07,929
deal so maybe this teetering point this

752
00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:09,820
tipping point that we seem to be at

753
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:12,460
right now is because we are being asked

754
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,440
to understand this at a much greater

755
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:16,960
level than what has gone on previously

756
00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:19,870
and again that leads into you know much

757
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:21,880
deeper conversation as well so you know

758
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:23,530
what I would say is we seem to be at a

759
00:32:28,409 --> 00:32:26,289
bit of this tipping point and I very

760
00:32:31,529 --> 00:32:28,419
much believe that this is not for the

761
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:31,539
select few I very much believe being

762
00:32:37,409 --> 00:32:34,409
able to understand how energy moves and

763
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:37,419
operates within ourselves with our

764
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:39,700
planet and with the universe that we

765
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:43,120
live in it is an important aspect to

766
00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:45,700
just our natural evolution and this is a

767
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:48,760
part of it so I could go on and on but

768
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:51,520
I'm gonna stop myself right there no

769
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:54,570
very well said very well said and the

770
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:57,190
overunity devices or zero-point energy

771
00:33:04,529 --> 00:33:01,120
devices those are definitely exciting

772
00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:04,539
and you also reference anti-gravity in

773
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:05,860
the book which is a whole other thing

774
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:08,530
that is pretty provocative and I'm a big

775
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,010
believer in the idea that this is a

776
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:14,080
simpler mechanic than people realize and

777
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:16,900
has probably been done many times over

778
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:19,780
history but I am curious if either of

779
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:22,330
you have seen anti-gravity and the flesh

780
00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:25,270
at these concerts or at these conference

781
00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:28,160
or even behind closed doors

782
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:30,140
well I've seen John Hutchinson's

783
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:34,340
experiments ah yes now there's a mad

784
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:37,610
scientist you guys love that guy

785
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:41,000
yes he was actually the second in bet

786
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:44,510
here that I met and that was a string of

787
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:49,280
coincidences so whatever was happening

788
00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:52,610
in his experiments involving there are

789
00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:55,640
strong electrostatic forces but

790
00:34:01,390 --> 00:33:58,070
something was going on that was going

791
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:01,400
beyond standard physics and did bring in

792
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:05,210
viewers from military sources and there

793
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:08,120
was a whole lot of intrigue around his

794
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:11,240
story yes and well just for people who

795
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:13,310
weren't familiar with him he did release

796
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:16,129
videos online of his experiments or his

797
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:17,690
demonstrations where he seemed to be

798
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,600
able to aim an energy at certain things

799
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:22,879
and get them to float off the table and

800
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,530
it's a lot of things like the liquid

801
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:27,679
inside of a cup the a bowl or a bowling

802
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:30,770
ball and various different you know

803
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:33,830
household items or things that are not

804
00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:36,409
super huge but it kind of alludes to the

805
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:37,790
idea that people talk about in the

806
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:39,290
ancient past they used to levitate

807
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:42,230
stones somehow I don't know but that's

808
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:44,030
kind of what John Hutchinson was doing

809
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:46,850
was little levitation experiments in the

810
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:48,550
lab as far as I know is that right

811
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:51,090
that's right

812
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:53,550
this is you know where some high

813
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:56,370
strangeness comes in and I was always

814
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,400
more interested in the practical what

815
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:01,740
can we do for humankind rather than what

816
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:04,950
can we do for people who want to do

817
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:07,380
weird things to materials you know like

818
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,590
some of the materials a metal would turn

819
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,680
briefly transparent for long enough for

820
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:15,660
something else to get embedded in it I

821
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,170
saw ordinary table knife embedded in a

822
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,020
slab of metal that's all very

823
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:24,660
interesting but that really wasn't my

824
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:28,110
main focus so I spent more time in all

825
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:31,870
those decades looking for the

826
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:36,100
answer for ordinary people for art clean

827
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:37,780
energy problems at church really so

828
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:40,510
crucial right now it always has been

829
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:44,670
crucial to replace the polluting oil

830
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:47,940
soaked politics and oil soaked

831
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:53,119
technologies but of course right now

832
00:35:58,539 --> 00:35:55,430
it's in everybody's face that there's

833
00:36:01,630 --> 00:35:58,549
lots of demonstrations asking for a

834
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:01,640
change of regime in the world as far as

835
00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:06,470
energy industry goes so yeah that's

836
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,299
exactly but as far as anti-gravity

837
00:36:12,789 --> 00:36:09,680
experience and of course as I've written

838
00:36:15,999 --> 00:36:12,799
in the past about T Townsend Brown and

839
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:16,009
his story and I know you had an

840
00:36:21,849 --> 00:36:19,220
interview with dr. Paul Laviolette who

841
00:36:26,049 --> 00:36:21,859
really has written the ultimate book on

842
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,059
those experiments and technologies but

843
00:36:30,849 --> 00:36:29,119
the inventors that we encounter the ones

844
00:36:31,509 --> 00:36:30,859
that just have these Minds is just won't

845
00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:31,519
quit

846
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:33,619
you know and they see that one thing

847
00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:36,470
works in approach in energy generations

848
00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:39,980
and and then they tell me later okay now

849
00:36:43,539 --> 00:36:41,869
I just want to do some experiments

850
00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:43,549
because I've got some ideas about how we

851
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:46,420
can build this anti-gravity crowd

852
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:49,460
Guaymas and I'm more of the point of

853
00:36:55,509 --> 00:36:51,950
view of please finish the energy yeah

854
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:55,519
generator first you know how their minds

855
00:37:00,039 --> 00:36:57,529
went to hop off to the next thing

856
00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:00,049
rather than finish the first one yeah

857
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,880
and that's you know it's funny because

858
00:37:06,249 --> 00:37:03,680
that's what seems to be the case because

859
00:37:08,019 --> 00:37:06,259
with inventors is I call it like the

860
00:37:10,059 --> 00:37:08,029
three tier the first tier is we just

861
00:37:12,579 --> 00:37:10,069
need to get this device out that can

862
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:12,589
allow people to get off the grid and no

863
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:14,450
something happens they can have heat and

864
00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:16,700
they can have the refrigerators run and

865
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:18,349
they can have electricity but you know

866
00:37:22,509 --> 00:37:20,089
what we really want to get to is that

867
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:22,519
something midstream which is something

868
00:37:27,069 --> 00:37:24,950
between antigravity in that first device

869
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,079
but that's something that we hear a lot

870
00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:29,359
so it's almost as if the bottleneck

871
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:31,069
needs to be loosened on some of these

872
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:33,140
inventors because this is what we hear

873
00:37:41,229 --> 00:37:38,180
very very often mmhmm mmhmm yes and it

874
00:37:43,779 --> 00:37:41,239
is just so interesting how the Machine

875
00:37:45,809 --> 00:37:43,789
keeps all this under wraps you write in

876
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:45,819
the book about the suppression angle and

877
00:37:50,349 --> 00:37:48,650
there's basically several techniques

878
00:37:52,509 --> 00:37:50,359
that you talk about in the book that

879
00:37:54,479 --> 00:37:52,519
they use compromising the schools and

880
00:37:57,249 --> 00:37:54,489
the certifications we talked about that

881
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:57,259
promoting their own cultural thought

882
00:38:01,329 --> 00:37:59,180
leaders and experts these pre-approved

883
00:38:04,059 --> 00:38:01,339
people they'll put on TV as the go-to

884
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:04,069
guy for science you control the Patent

885
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:06,710
Office you classify research Emmet's

886
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:06,940
here

887
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:08,890
girls you promote red herrings and

888
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:11,800
hoaxes so of course if Dateline NBC or

889
00:38:14,819 --> 00:38:13,660
60 minutes is going to give airtime to

890
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:14,829
anything in this realm

891
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:16,599
it's gonna be one of these red herrings

892
00:38:21,569 --> 00:38:18,970
and you threaten you you harm and you

893
00:38:23,579 --> 00:38:21,579
destroy and also purchasing the

894
00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:23,589
technology offering the inventor a

895
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:25,960
non-disclosure and then barring it and

896
00:38:31,470 --> 00:38:27,940
it never comes out and that's common as

897
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:31,480
well and because you are so focused on

898
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:34,210
the strategy side of things Susan I'm

899
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:37,300
curious outside of the good vetting

900
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:40,060
process that's definitely important what

901
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:42,490
else are you guys doing to neutralize

902
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:46,030
these suppression tactics education

903
00:38:51,809 --> 00:38:48,839
education is absolutely critical

904
00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:51,819
absolutely critical I mean the book you

905
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,560
know the book is written for a layperson

906
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:55,720
in the book is also written by two

907
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:57,250
people that I would say are kind of

908
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,500
non-traditional in this arena and that's

909
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:01,599
intentional because if you need to get

910
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:03,400
additional awareness you need to be able

911
00:39:08,849 --> 00:39:06,609
to bring in both genders into this area

912
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:08,859
and the book was written from that

913
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:11,410
perspective it's written in the sense

914
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:13,750
that you know it satisfies engineers

915
00:39:18,059 --> 00:39:16,390
probably curiosity like somebody that's

916
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:18,069
new that's learning about this but you

917
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,450
know from a layperson I mean obviously

918
00:39:23,849 --> 00:39:22,000
I'm a woman the amount of my friends

919
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,859
that purchase this book alone that I

920
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:25,359
would never think in a million years

921
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:27,190
would read this they're reading it and

922
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,980
you know these are people that you know

923
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:32,079
may or may not have a degree but they're

924
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:33,369
people that you would not expect but

925
00:39:37,579 --> 00:39:34,750
they're trying to educate themselves

926
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:37,589
because they realize that in order for

927
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:40,839
us to shift our thinking you've got to

928
00:39:45,089 --> 00:39:43,000
be able to get out of maybe your little

929
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:45,099
box using your word earlier that you're

930
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,990
in and actually begin to educate

931
00:39:51,809 --> 00:39:49,839
yourself in other areas that because

932
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:51,819
we've been told physics is off topic to

933
00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:54,369
you if you don't have some type of a

934
00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:56,500
degree like it's typically we don't talk

935
00:40:00,059 --> 00:39:58,569
about physics it's off topic to you you

936
00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:00,069
know see you find people are being more

937
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:01,720
brave and saying you know what maybe

938
00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:03,670
this is for me to be able to learn maybe

939
00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:05,589
it is for me to be able to say something

940
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:08,109
you know in regards to my future in

941
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:09,730
regards to maybe my child's education

942
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:11,829
that I'm paying thirty-five thousand

943
00:40:14,849 --> 00:40:13,480
dollars a year that's going to college

944
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:14,859
somewhere let's say for a degree in

945
00:40:20,339 --> 00:40:18,250
sciences right so you know this is what

946
00:40:22,499 --> 00:40:20,349
I think I think it's the education you

947
00:40:25,529 --> 00:40:22,509
what are we doing there's a lot of

948
00:40:27,059 --> 00:40:25,539
Education that needs to happen like nem

949
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:27,069
we're working in a couple of projects

950
00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:29,170
right now they're not out there they'll

951
00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:30,700
probably be out there in about two

952
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:31,059
months

953
00:40:36,089 --> 00:40:33,910
but going deeper from an educational

954
00:40:38,849 --> 00:40:36,099
standpoint in by the way it's not enough

955
00:40:41,309 --> 00:40:38,859
to just educate people on the science

956
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:41,319
and the tech you also have to be able to

957
00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:43,089
educate well how do we really get here

958
00:40:47,069 --> 00:40:45,069
in the first place and why did all of

959
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,079
this just become acceptable why did we

960
00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:49,599
just accept this as a norm I mean I've

961
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:51,880
spent the last two weeks visiting

962
00:40:57,390 --> 00:40:55,359
colleges and working with individuals in

963
00:41:00,749 --> 00:40:57,400
colleges to be able to educate them

964
00:41:02,849 --> 00:41:00,759
about this and let me share with you the

965
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:02,859
amount of openness has been off the

966
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:06,099
chart and it's because they realize

967
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:08,200
who's the de people at the college

968
00:41:11,999 --> 00:41:10,210
setting in you know because we think

969
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:12,009
colleges are always the professor's know

970
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:13,930
the colleges are the administration

971
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:15,249
they're the people in the career center

972
00:41:20,099 --> 00:41:17,650
they're the people in the Alumni office

973
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:20,109
there's people in administration that

974
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:22,690
make up you know how these professors

975
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:24,700
actually get in it's not just the

976
00:41:28,769 --> 00:41:27,160
professors and the students obviously

977
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:28,779
being able to work with some of the

978
00:41:34,979 --> 00:41:31,420
students so the level of openness right

979
00:41:37,979 --> 00:41:34,989
now is much higher than you would

980
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:37,989
suspect we keep wanting to go after the

981
00:41:42,329 --> 00:41:40,180
professor and you know get validation

982
00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:42,339
from this professor but I'll tell you

983
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:44,859
folks that are in some of these colleges

984
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:49,119
are realizing and you know these are

985
00:41:56,609 --> 00:41:53,140
their words I'm going to say that we

986
00:41:58,739 --> 00:41:56,619
can't answer the need of our students

987
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,749
right now we understand and know that

988
00:42:03,209 --> 00:42:01,119
there's something going on and we feel

989
00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:03,219
powerless we don't know what it is that

990
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:05,469
we can do to help and so when you

991
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:08,469
introduce to them something like this

992
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:10,890
book or this topic

993
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,110
they begin to understand that this is

994
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,800
about connecting maybe science whether

995
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:20,160
you call it spirit or the ether but the

996
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:22,830
connected universe so to speak they

997
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,340
understand that this may be one of the

998
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:28,680
things that needs to happen in order for

999
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:32,370
these kids that are in these colleges to

1000
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:34,410
be able to feel inspired and to be able

1001
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:35,790
to feel like the college is actually

1002
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:37,830
giving them something valuable and we

1003
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,720
have a young woman that works with us

1004
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:41,520
that graduated from college last year

1005
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:44,550
and she echoed the same sentiment that

1006
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,710
she's beyond what her professors can

1007
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:48,270
share so you're finding that the

1008
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:49,770
students are the ones that are sharing

1009
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,110
this type of information back with their

1010
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:54,960
professors it's an education back and

1011
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,480
forth though and we also have another

1012
00:43:01,040 --> 00:42:59,520
person that potentially I say

1013
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,050
potentially because he's working it out

1014
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:03,180
with his professor right now he's gonna

1015
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:05,010
working on his master's degree in

1016
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,370
physics and he's working on a potential

1017
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,920
experiment with us right now and you

1018
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:12,420
know this is all great because again

1019
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,020
it's an education back and forth and you

1020
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:17,880
know this is one of the many things the

1021
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:20,730
other thing is education has it relates

1022
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,310
to working with creating a healthy

1023
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:25,800
ecosystem for these technologies and the

1024
00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:28,590
inventors to be supported in you know

1025
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:30,360
not taking what I call traditional

1026
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:33,210
investment because that usually seems to

1027
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,770
just fall flat on its face

1028
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,140
and that's typically because you've got

1029
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:39,240
an investor that wants to make money off

1030
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:41,610
of this they see you know my god you

1031
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:43,110
know this type of power savings do you

1032
00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:44,730
know how much money that can make me so

1033
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:47,580
go and make this device and have it be

1034
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:49,800
done by this in this day you know for

1035
00:43:55,070 --> 00:43:52,410
some reason this field doesn't work like

1036
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:55,080
that for some reason there does seem to

1037
00:44:01,520 --> 00:43:58,230
be a consciousness mindfulness aspect to

1038
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:01,530
this whole thing and I think that the

1039
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:04,080
more someone is in this the longer the

1040
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:06,450
years that they're in this this is what

1041
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:08,490
we typically you know hear afterwards

1042
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:10,770
from some of these very experienced PhDs

1043
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:13,110
and physicists astrophysicists and

1044
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:17,460
engineers hmm well said yes education is

1045
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:20,250
key and obviously educating these

1046
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,290
inventors of today on the cautionary

1047
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:24,240
tales of the past is a big part of that

1048
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:24,630
and how do

1049
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:27,330
avoid those tricks and traps cuz these

1050
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:29,670
system and his agents can be very sneaky

1051
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:33,780
and strategic and let's get weird for a

1052
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:36,540
minute Susan you are a person that has

1053
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:39,420
had a contact the experience and only

1054
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:41,730
you know I've talked of many many guests

1055
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:43,950
who have as well like we're pretty hip

1056
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:46,470
to that game but we've also heard that

1057
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:48,810
Tesla used to feel that his ideas were

1058
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,850
coming in telepathically and you've

1059
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,440
written about people in the book who

1060
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:54,960
also feel the same way or they had a

1061
00:44:59,060 --> 00:44:56,670
near-death experience when they were

1062
00:45:02,660 --> 00:44:59,070
young and that led them out a body like

1063
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,670
this guy Jorge Merkel who's done so much

1064
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:04,560
lucid dreaming and out-of-body stuff

1065
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,250
that he says he's learned more about

1066
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:10,380
mineralogy from visiting distant planets

1067
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:12,180
than he ever learned in a classroom and

1068
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,670
that's of course provocative but how

1069
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:16,680
common is this element that these

1070
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:19,560
inventors seem to have some connection

1071
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:21,840
one way or another to the more than

1072
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:24,290
human world

1073
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:28,220
well I would say that it seems to be

1074
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:31,940
quite common but not in all cases and I

1075
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:34,430
do want to pull in Gina for a moment on

1076
00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:36,650
this because I don't think we can say

1077
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:38,300
every one of the inventors that are

1078
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,250
featured in the book has had let's say

1079
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:42,560
contact but they seem to have some type

1080
00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:44,990
of a epiphany or some type of a

1081
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:48,080
higher-level connection whether it's

1082
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:51,050
through nature meditation thinking that

1083
00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:52,730
it's their higher self but you know I

1084
00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:53,840
think we can say there's a good amount

1085
00:45:59,490 --> 00:45:55,960
of people that have

1086
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:59,500
and their dreams wake up in the morning

1087
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,140
with a hot and so where did that come

1088
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:03,520
from

1089
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:05,710
you're right there's a whole spectrum of

1090
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:09,610
how tuned in the inventors are some are

1091
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:12,730
pretty close to the mechanistic but on

1092
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:15,970
the other end of the scale of course dr.

1093
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:18,550
Jorge Merkel was most fantastic

1094
00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:22,930
scientist I ever met and that's a

1095
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:26,320
mind-blower his experiences of traveling

1096
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:30,430
in and Lightbody out among the planets

1097
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:34,450
and seeing how the different types of

1098
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:38,050
minerals there that's a mind-blower yeah

1099
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:40,510
and at the same time that gene and I

1100
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:42,760
were writing this book there was

1101
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:44,980
research that I published with this

1102
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:47,350
group last year wait I have to say now

1103
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:49,900
because it's now 20 20 year and a half

1104
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:52,510
ago and that was about people that have

1105
00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:54,790
had quote-unquote contact experiences

1106
00:46:59,340 --> 00:46:57,100
but it's not all the same type of thing

1107
00:47:01,500 --> 00:46:59,350
like they saw a certain type of being

1108
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:01,510
right it came through dream state it

1109
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:03,730
came through either waking up in the

1110
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,790
morning and laying in bed and having

1111
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:09,760
this information come or it did come

1112
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:12,310
through an actual dream some people that

1113
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:14,230
came through meditations some people

1114
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,630
that came through their contact with

1115
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:18,420
what they would consider a

1116
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:20,740
interdimensional being and again some

1117
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:22,390
people said it was their higher self but

1118
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:24,760
this one survey that we did that was

1119
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:26,410
separate you know just to kind of show

1120
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:28,540
you hey something big is going on here

1121
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,820
out of almost 2500 people we asked do

1122
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:35,440
you believe that you possess information

1123
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:37,750
about like advanced technology advanced

1124
00:47:42,420 --> 00:47:39,610
physics or any scientific information

1125
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:42,430
that you've never read or learned about

1126
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:46,570
in your normal environment and 41.7% of

1127
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,550
those people said yes that's a

1128
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:50,400
significant number to say hey

1129
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:53,260
something's going on in this state of

1130
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,010
consciousness that may be important for

1131
00:48:02,070 --> 00:47:59,680
us to pay attention to and you know what

1132
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:02,080
people were getting was lots of things

1133
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:04,210
under the Sun about how the universe

1134
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:06,250
works but you know some of the biggies

1135
00:48:11,980 --> 00:48:09,010
that I like to talk about it's like ok

1136
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,990
so what was this really about

1137
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:14,720
and the nature of the information was

1138
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,240
that the universe is a living system you

1139
00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:20,000
know that was a biggie yeah yeah I mean

1140
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:22,070
just like the importance of that

1141
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,080
everything is living and you know when I

1142
00:48:27,310 --> 00:48:25,760
was listening to you and gene talk

1143
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:27,320
earlier we were talking about like all

1144
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:29,390
these different ways that we can extract

1145
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:33,050
energy well if everything is alive in

1146
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:35,090
the universe that's implicit that

1147
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:37,640
everything has an energetic component to

1148
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:40,340
it right so fascinating they were also

1149
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:43,630
getting information about consciousness

1150
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,000
education training basically how to work

1151
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:49,280
with their emotion how to work with

1152
00:48:53,710 --> 00:48:51,890
intention how to work with visualization

1153
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:53,720
so this was part of it it wasn't just

1154
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,600
here's this calculation formula and now

1155
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,640
this is gonna plug into this device

1156
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:02,000
that's not entirely it there does seem

1157
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:04,670
to be what I would call like a moral and

1158
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:07,790
ethical responsibility that goes along

1159
00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:10,970
with the acquisition of this type of

1160
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:13,160
information you know they were also

1161
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:14,690
getting we wonder why why are they

1162
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:16,340
wanting to create anti-gravity

1163
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:18,170
technology well you know some of these

1164
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:20,030
folks were being shown how to actually

1165
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:22,070
create these ships and how to navigate

1166
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:24,950
this right well for what well maybe

1167
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:26,810
because of these earth changes maybe

1168
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:28,580
because of this shift maybe because of

1169
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:31,609
future preparation but a big aspect to

1170
00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:35,410
this thing was about feeling this

1171
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:38,270
interconnectedness of love and you know

1172
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:40,910
they'll talk about geez you know this

1173
00:49:44,849 --> 00:49:42,530
experience was profound I've got this

1174
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:44,859
information but the love that I felt was

1175
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:47,210
overwhelming you know it's like nothing

1176
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:49,670
I felt before so you know this is what

1177
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:52,609
seems to be coming back here and you

1178
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:54,770
know I think these aspects are you know

1179
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:57,050
really important to pay attention to and

1180
00:50:01,570 --> 00:49:58,850
there's a gentleman I've been speaking

1181
00:50:03,820 --> 00:50:01,580
with as well that he's trying to

1182
00:50:07,450 --> 00:50:03,830
understand what he got and this was in a

1183
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,460
his friends are Native American he's not

1184
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:09,440
and his friends are and they took him

1185
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:13,400
into a sweat lodge and what he reported

1186
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:16,130
was these downloads of information on

1187
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:18,200
how to build this over-unity device and

1188
00:50:25,090 --> 00:50:21,920
so he ended up then going to school for

1189
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:25,100
engineering to be able to understand how

1190
00:50:27,339 --> 00:50:25,520
to

1191
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:27,349
work with this and what I would call

1192
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:30,170
like our day-to-day reality so you know

1193
00:50:33,819 --> 00:50:32,180
I mean fascinating right so these are

1194
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:33,829
people that we're trying to help to say

1195
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:36,170
on one hand it's like okay let's look at

1196
00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:38,150
pragmatically what do you have but on

1197
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:39,829
the other hand you're playing what I

1198
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:41,089
would call almost like you know

1199
00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:44,720
nurturing mama energy you know our group

1200
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,440
is not just me to try to help to bring

1201
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:51,680
this to something that they can actually

1202
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,410
connect in with other engineers or other

1203
00:50:59,410 --> 00:50:56,960
people that can understand them creating

1204
00:51:02,020 --> 00:50:59,420
these linkages is an enormous part of

1205
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,030
helping them feel normalized also and

1206
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:04,400
you know dare I say feel better but feel

1207
00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:06,650
like they're on task with what they're

1208
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:08,809
here to do so that's one of the most

1209
00:51:13,809 --> 00:51:11,000
rewarding pieces of this whole thing is

1210
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:13,819
helping people to feel like hey we're

1211
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:15,589
gonna help you do what you came here to

1212
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:17,030
do hopefully you know let's help each

1213
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:18,079
other make this happen

1214
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:21,410
yeah with you that's very important that

1215
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:24,470
aspect if I can interject the season was

1216
00:51:28,569 --> 00:51:26,270
just mentioning about helping the

1217
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:28,579
inventory's to feel okay about

1218
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:31,460
themselves because I've known some dear

1219
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:35,510
inventors who really find it painful to

1220
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:37,460
live in this world they have this

1221
00:51:42,370 --> 00:51:40,790
unusual broader vision or our ability to

1222
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:42,380
see things that others can't and

1223
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:45,020
understand things that others can't seem

1224
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:47,990
to but since society hasn't paid any

1225
00:51:53,890 --> 00:51:50,329
interest and certainly doesn't throw any

1226
00:51:57,819 --> 00:51:53,900
money their way and in many ways they do

1227
00:51:59,530 --> 00:51:57,829
feel so isolated it's not like 30 years

1228
00:52:01,569 --> 00:51:59,540
ago when there wasn't the internet and

1229
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:01,579
there wasn't a way you could connect

1230
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:05,089
with people online but still they need

1231
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,170
more than that they need physical

1232
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,640
face-to-face you're okay

1233
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:13,520
we appreciate you for what you are

1234
00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:17,329
because often they're not socially able

1235
00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:20,359
to fit in just because it's in their

1236
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:25,120
nature to be so driven to

1237
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,370
put into manifestation what they know is

1238
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:30,160
possible that they spend all their money

1239
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:31,960
and their family's money and their

1240
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:34,030
neighbors money their anybody they can

1241
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:36,130
borrow on their magnets and their

1242
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,400
machine shop bills and all the money

1243
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:42,160
that takes to do experiments and just

1244
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:43,480
for lots of reason they're socially

1245
00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:44,890
isolated because nobody else in their

1246
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:46,870
community is interested in the sorts of

1247
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:50,830
things they're doing so the human part

1248
00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:53,290
is really important and Susan's right

1249
00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:55,300
that's where we need the balance of the

1250
00:53:01,050 --> 00:52:57,670
yin and the yang in in the field to

1251
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:01,060
nurture individuals and nurture the

1252
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:05,890
teamwork the collaborative side right on

1253
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:09,250
yes I agree and I can see how it could

1254
00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:11,950
be very polarizing and isolating to be

1255
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:14,140
that kind of person that some of these

1256
00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:16,660
inventors are and I could also

1257
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,320
understand the attraction to keeping

1258
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:21,760
some of the high strangeness or

1259
00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:24,010
consciousness elements out of this stuff

1260
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:25,960
just for the sake of mass adoption I

1261
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,640
mean you're hitting people with a lot

1262
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:30,160
just with the devices themselves but it

1263
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:33,030
is all connected and it's a very

1264
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,030
archetypical story actually that man in

1265
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:39,280
the distant past like the whole idea of

1266
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:41,530
a civilizing trickster or some entity

1267
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:44,110
from the stars whether physical or

1268
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:47,350
non-physical that jumpstart civilization

1269
00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:49,420
and teaches people how to live in

1270
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:52,600
certain ways and this could possibly be

1271
00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:54,700
a round of that I mean even contact

1272
00:53:58,830 --> 00:53:57,220
experiences when you ask the people like

1273
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:58,840
well what was the message it's always

1274
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:00,970
about stewardship it's about that we're

1275
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:03,250
destroying the planet and even if you

1276
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:05,080
look at the crop circle phenomenon a lot

1277
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:06,850
of these patterns that are in the crop

1278
00:54:12,450 --> 00:54:10,390
circles are the same toroidal vortex is

1279
00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:12,460
that you see popping up in the new

1280
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:14,860
energy movement so I don't think there's

1281
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:16,750
something out there trying to whisper in

1282
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:19,480
our ears hey it's time to get to the

1283
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:21,250
next level guys you know we helped you

1284
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:23,050
get here but it's time let's move it

1285
00:54:26,999 --> 00:54:24,430
along

1286
00:54:29,819 --> 00:54:27,009
absolutely and I would share a small

1287
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:29,829
little story with you I had been looking

1288
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:33,970
at a device that was in England and the

1289
00:54:40,499 --> 00:54:38,200
next day that device appeared as a crop

1290
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:40,509
circle huh and I mean it was a shared

1291
00:54:44,609 --> 00:54:42,249
experience by the way so it wasn't just

1292
00:54:46,499 --> 00:54:44,619
myself otherwise they would not tell

1293
00:54:48,749 --> 00:54:46,509
this story but it was a shared

1294
00:54:50,579 --> 00:54:48,759
experience and I mean you could look at

1295
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:50,589
pictures it's you know you can see what

1296
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:53,049
the relationship is but I mean listen

1297
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:54,730
I've seen lots of different things and

1298
00:54:59,970 --> 00:54:57,220
even that made me it made me cry because

1299
00:55:01,920 --> 00:54:59,980
I was like oh my god you know when you

1300
00:55:05,249 --> 00:55:01,930
feel that aliveness when you feel it

1301
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:05,259
inside of you and then you see oh man

1302
00:55:08,849 --> 00:55:06,940
you know because sometimes we're in our

1303
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:08,859
head like even myself right like

1304
00:55:12,839 --> 00:55:10,990
sometimes you get in your head and then

1305
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:12,849
you get you know more into that I don't

1306
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:14,380
know what you call it body intelligence

1307
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:15,940
or something and then you realize that

1308
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,890
the big magnitude of all of this and

1309
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:19,599
you're right there's communication

1310
00:55:23,489 --> 00:55:20,890
that's occurring you know they're saying

1311
00:55:26,970 --> 00:55:23,499
hey look over here or hey it's right

1312
00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:26,980
here so just absolutely incredible you

1313
00:55:30,809 --> 00:55:28,809
can't make it up I think some of these

1314
00:55:32,819 --> 00:55:30,819
amazing stories that gene has seen

1315
00:55:34,499 --> 00:55:32,829
throughout the years it's like you can't

1316
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:34,509
make up this stuff because you know real

1317
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:36,309
life is a heck of a lot more fascinating

1318
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:38,170
especially in this arena than anything

1319
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:38,970
else

1320
00:55:45,479 --> 00:55:43,569
Cheers I like it but man as we're

1321
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:45,489
winding down here and getting towards

1322
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,650
the end of this thing let me ask you

1323
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:50,079
what it is that you hope people do with

1324
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,390
this information as a strategist maybe

1325
00:55:58,019 --> 00:55:54,640
Susan can talk about this but how do you

1326
00:55:59,819 --> 00:55:58,029
want people listening now to potentially

1327
00:56:02,970 --> 00:55:59,829
help out is there something they can do

1328
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,980
actionable steps would you like to

1329
00:56:08,609 --> 00:56:05,200
answer that well I don't know what

1330
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:08,619
people caught their references to you

1331
00:56:12,749 --> 00:56:10,450
mentioned global famine and them and you

1332
00:56:15,150 --> 00:56:12,759
probably spelled out that them is

1333
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:15,160
breakthrough energy movement and them is

1334
00:56:19,979 --> 00:56:17,230
what you're president of Susan the new

1335
00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:19,989
energy movement and this is where our

1336
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,599
book comes in and on helping people to

1337
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:25,599
see where they can take a role everybody

1338
00:56:30,749 --> 00:56:28,210
no matter what your circumstances can do

1339
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:30,759
something to help like in the last

1340
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:32,529
chapter that book particularly we

1341
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:34,690
outline the steps that people can take

1342
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:37,570
to help improve the situation

1343
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:38,800
if you want to talk a little bit more

1344
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:41,890
about the new energy movement sure so

1345
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:44,290
new energy movement is a public

1346
00:56:47,730 --> 00:56:46,180
education advocacy group we've actually

1347
00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:47,740
picked up a couple of additional

1348
00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:49,900
volunteers in the last couple of weeks

1349
00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:52,600
and months and happy to say people are

1350
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:55,240
moving along quite nicely and providing

1351
00:57:00,540 --> 00:56:57,400
some great support so that's wonderful

1352
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:00,550
people are in the process of looking at

1353
00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:02,830
opening up chapters in their communities

1354
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,340
both in the US Canada but also outside

1355
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:09,040
of the US in Canada you just said that's

1356
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:10,660
definitely a way that people can get

1357
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:12,460
involved I mean you know what people can

1358
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:15,160
do here obviously they can go to any em

1359
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:18,430
new energy movement org they can go to

1360
00:57:22,770 --> 00:57:20,470
breakthrough energy movement

1361
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:22,780
I think that's calm I'm not sure it's

1362
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:26,020
org or calm also they can go to new e

1363
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:28,390
the foundation for morale technology so

1364
00:57:34,909 --> 00:57:33,059
that is the new e foundation com

1365
00:57:36,859 --> 00:57:34,919
but one of the things that I think is

1366
00:57:39,099 --> 00:57:36,869
absolutely important because your

1367
00:57:41,749 --> 00:57:39,109
listeners are definitely educated people

1368
00:57:43,399 --> 00:57:41,759
Gregg in the sense of you know knowing

1369
00:57:44,989 --> 00:57:43,409
like so many different things that's

1370
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:44,999
going on in this field as a whole

1371
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:46,529
whether it's disclosure whether it's new

1372
00:57:52,339 --> 00:57:49,049
energy that the shift on the planet from

1373
00:57:54,229 --> 00:57:52,349
a cosmological Sun planetary scale or

1374
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:54,239
you know even some of the other things

1375
00:57:58,729 --> 00:57:55,559
that are happening but I would just say

1376
00:58:00,949 --> 00:57:58,739
that it's really important that we ask

1377
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:00,959
ourselves a couple of questions and that

1378
00:58:06,769 --> 00:58:04,619
would be the stories of well the energy

1379
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,779
is the patent informations going to be

1380
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,400
released and you know all this energy

1381
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:10,140
technology is gonna be released to the

1382
00:58:14,449 --> 00:58:11,819
public and you know here we go happy

1383
00:58:16,279 --> 00:58:14,459
days I don't think it works like that

1384
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:16,289
when you work in this thing every day

1385
00:58:20,899 --> 00:58:18,599
you see that there's a lot that's

1386
00:58:23,929 --> 00:58:20,909
happening and going on but also we're

1387
00:58:26,989 --> 00:58:23,939
being asked to understand about this

1388
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:26,999
subtler energy in ways I don't think

1389
00:58:31,569 --> 00:58:29,249
that we've ever been asked before you

1390
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,579
know at least in our lifetime and

1391
00:58:34,459 --> 00:58:33,599
Dolores can and I don't know if you've

1392
00:58:37,669 --> 00:58:34,469
ever heard of her

1393
00:58:38,989 --> 00:58:37,679
no she was this older woman who passed

1394
00:58:40,699 --> 00:58:38,999
away a couple years ago but she was a

1395
00:58:42,229 --> 00:58:40,709
great hypnotherapist she taught this

1396
00:58:44,539 --> 00:58:42,239
thing called quantum healing

1397
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:44,549
hypnotherapy and this is where when she

1398
00:58:48,529 --> 00:58:46,169
was doing hypnotherapy she realized

1399
00:58:50,149 --> 00:58:48,539
though people were getting here we were

1400
00:58:52,249 --> 00:58:50,159
talking about earlier about the contact

1401
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:52,259
experiences that people were reporting

1402
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:54,209
their past life experiences contact

1403
00:58:58,279 --> 00:58:55,799
experiences like everything under the

1404
00:59:01,729 --> 00:58:58,289
Sun so it's a well practiced form of

1405
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,739
hypnosis today but she would say from

1406
00:59:06,499 --> 00:59:03,839
what I can tell we come to this planet

1407
00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:06,509
to learn how to experience an influence

1408
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:08,849
energy now that's like human energy

1409
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:10,650
right but maybe the same thing as being

1410
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:13,619
asked of us in the energy of the ether

1411
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:15,209
right and how we generate our

1412
00:59:20,689 --> 00:59:17,640
electricity how we generate that energy

1413
00:59:23,899 --> 00:59:20,699
so to stay in that sovereignty of our

1414
00:59:26,689 --> 00:59:23,909
understanding versus acquiescing this to

1415
00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:26,699
someone else whoever that someone else

1416
00:59:31,909 --> 00:59:29,579
is maybe it's up to us to be able to

1417
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:31,919
learn what we can and understand what we

1418
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:34,650
can about ourselves and our relationship

1419
00:59:38,899 --> 00:59:37,169
to the world around us because it seems

1420
00:59:40,189 --> 00:59:38,909
very important you know and that's one

1421
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:40,199
of the things that were being asked to

1422
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:41,880
do so I would say stay in that

1423
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,579
sovereignty of working to understand but

1424
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:46,319
also to potentially be you know a

1425
00:59:50,299 --> 00:59:46,890
creator

1426
00:59:53,029 --> 00:59:50,309
in this process hmm well said well said

1427
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:53,039
and something I like in your checklist

1428
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:54,809
of things that people can do that's in

1429
01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:57,660
the book is lending your skills in areas

1430
01:00:03,319 --> 01:00:00,450
like legal project management graphics

1431
01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:03,329
accounting media you don't have to be

1432
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:06,359
the inventor of the new energy device to

1433
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,000
help out I mean like everything it's a

1434
01:00:14,839 --> 01:00:12,480
very robust team that helps things get

1435
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:14,849
to the surface and you could have all

1436
01:00:20,029 --> 01:00:16,740
kinds of skills that you might not think

1437
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:20,039
we're late and they actually do every

1438
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,000
skill is needed personal skill that's

1439
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:25,920
not needed I mean we're talking about a

1440
01:00:30,829 --> 01:00:28,980
planetary transition it's all needed of

1441
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:30,839
course and the last thing I really

1442
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:32,849
wanted to ask you about is just the

1443
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:34,710
conferences because they are such a big

1444
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:37,920
part of this really because there's

1445
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:39,210
different groups running different

1446
01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:41,609
conferences what is say the next

1447
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:43,950
conference that you guys will be at and

1448
01:00:49,279 --> 01:00:46,670
maybe people should attend or try to

1449
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,289
energy science and technology conference

1450
01:00:53,779 --> 01:00:50,940
for people who really want to learn how

1451
01:00:56,359 --> 01:00:53,789
to build these things but Susan can talk

1452
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:56,369
to the energy movement conferences new

1453
01:01:00,769 --> 01:00:58,650
energy movement yeah so breakthrough

1454
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:00,779
energy movement they obviously had their

1455
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:02,730
conference this past year they hadn't

1456
01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:04,619
had one I think for the last two years

1457
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,990
or so but from what I understand they're

1458
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:08,579
going to have another one probably in

1459
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:11,369
November maybe in Amsterdam as well

1460
01:01:15,019 --> 01:01:12,839
which is where it was last year so

1461
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:15,029
that's for technical people but it's

1462
01:01:20,779 --> 01:01:17,910
also for people that want to understand

1463
01:01:23,569 --> 01:01:20,789
participate in the other aspects that

1464
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:23,579
support breakthrough energy that's

1465
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:25,770
happening in November

1466
01:01:30,050 --> 01:01:28,290
very cool yes that is where people can

1467
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:30,060
find me I get a lot of criticism that I

1468
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:31,790
don't really get out in the world and

1469
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:33,900
yeah I could go to the conspiracy

1470
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:35,640
conferences if I need to see another

1471
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,980
9/11 slide show but to me where the

1472
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:39,599
rubber meets the road is the new energy

1473
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:41,130
kind of stuff because it's still

1474
01:01:44,839 --> 01:01:42,930
suppressed and it's way more exciting

1475
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:44,849
and it's something we can actually use

1476
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:48,270
in the future rather than going over

1477
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:51,300
past events again and again but man this

1478
01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:53,010
has been a lot of fun ladies I

1479
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:55,080
appreciate everything you're doing and

1480
01:01:58,820 --> 01:01:57,240
this has been one of my favorite shows

1481
01:02:01,040 --> 01:01:58,830
in a while I can't wait for people to

1482
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:01,050
hear a lot of provocative stuff and this

1483
01:02:06,620 --> 01:02:03,900
book is great it's so comprehensive from

1484
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:06,630
the fundamentals of understanding this

1485
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:09,660
new paradigm to the history to the

1486
01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:11,220
bright minds working on these things

1487
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:13,500
today it really is a complete case

1488
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,950
front-to-back so very cool and I look

1489
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:18,480
forward to the future take care out

1490
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:21,330
there Thank You Craig thank you I hope I

1491
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:22,619
meet you at one of the conference's

1492
01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:28,710
Craig indeed holy ether fuel delete the

1493
01:02:35,810 --> 01:02:31,740
ometer people the powerful women of the

1494
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:35,820
weird science movement hmm hell of a

1495
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:38,790
show if you ask me and I know we've been

1496
01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:40,830
hitting this particular branch on the

1497
01:02:46,339 --> 01:02:43,460
higher side tree pretty hard lately and

1498
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:46,349
honestly I did plan on taking a break

1499
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:48,900
from it for a while but then James

1500
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:51,030
DeMaio said he would do an interview and

1501
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:53,010
then I thought okay now we're gonna

1502
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,369
pause on this and hit some other areas

1503
01:02:59,839 --> 01:02:57,839
but then Jena and Susan's book was

1504
01:03:01,550 --> 01:02:59,849
released and I thought okay we'll do

1505
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:01,560
this and then we'll take a break from

1506
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:03,180
ether physics and this sort of stuff

1507
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:06,089
because there is just so much under the

1508
01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:09,270
higher side umbrella but what I loved so

1509
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:11,550
much about this one is that it's not

1510
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:14,130
just a deep dive into one particular

1511
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:17,220
person's work and theories it's a

1512
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:18,990
journalistic look at the overall

1513
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:21,630
landscape the history of it the current

1514
01:03:26,349 --> 01:03:23,490
state of things and how to bring it all

1515
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:26,359
together and strategize a true rollout

1516
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,740
it's what we need and it's a beautiful

1517
01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:31,200
thing and when we start talking

1518
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:35,070
logistics and PR and strategy it all

1519
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:38,480
starts to feel very real and very close

1520
01:03:44,049 --> 01:03:40,609
the dominant of wider inclusion in all

1521
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:44,059
that and it's also a happy accident that

1522
01:03:48,099 --> 01:03:45,710
the best voices for this particular

1523
01:03:50,890 --> 01:03:48,109
layer of things are also voices that

1524
01:03:52,539 --> 01:03:50,900
bring some diversity to the table not a

1525
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:52,549
lot of ladies hitting on this particular

1526
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:53,270
topic

1527
01:03:58,650 --> 01:03:55,849
and not to get into it and there are

1528
01:04:00,670 --> 01:03:58,660
exceptions to every rule but I've heard

1529
01:04:03,130 --> 01:04:00,680
psychologists say that broadly speaking

1530
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:03,140
one of the biggest mental differences

1531
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:05,420
between the interests of men and women

1532
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,089
is that women are interested in people

1533
01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:11,599
and men are interested in things which

1534
01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:13,549
is why you have a lot of male tinker's

1535
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:15,980
out there mechanics or plumbers or

1536
01:04:22,569 --> 01:04:19,670
electricians or inventors and you have a

1537
01:04:25,210 --> 01:04:22,579
lot of women in positions or jobs or

1538
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:25,220
careers that deal more with people like

1539
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:28,010
teachers or HR positions and that sort

1540
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:31,280
of thing but I don't know to me this is

1541
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:33,650
a great example of what more female

1542
01:04:38,770 --> 01:04:35,390
energy would bring to this particular

1543
01:04:41,289 --> 01:04:38,780
table again broadly speaking and no pun

1544
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:41,299
intended but you could also see how

1545
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:43,609
otherwise you would have a bunch of

1546
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:45,710
hermit type socially awkward guys

1547
01:04:51,370 --> 01:04:48,290
tolling away in their separate garage

1548
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:51,380
labs which is where a lot of the history

1549
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:53,990
of hidden energy looks like and if we're

1550
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:56,329
gonna talk conspiratorial II it's a lot

1551
01:05:01,359 --> 01:04:58,970
easier to pick off and suppress those

1552
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:01,369
individuals when those are the

1553
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,130
conditions of the movement but either

1554
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:06,559
way I was very happy when this one was

1555
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:08,930
done I knew it would be a popular thing

1556
01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:11,450
with the people and it's also the best

1557
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:13,190
we've been able to do regarding this

1558
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,990
connection between plasma and

1559
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:17,119
disembodied consciousness since we had

1560
01:05:22,270 --> 01:05:19,880
Eric Dollard here and even though I did

1561
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:22,280
just say I'm very consciously trying to

1562
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:24,890
pursue some other subject areas for you

1563
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:27,980
the one thing in this realm that I'd

1564
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:29,720
like to get into sooner rather than

1565
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:33,530
later is the Sapphire project and yes

1566
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:35,900
that was all in the Plus Show

1567
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:37,700
sorry free listeners but you don't just

1568
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:39,410
jump into the sudden emergence of

1569
01:05:43,569 --> 01:05:41,210
non-human intelligence from plasma

1570
01:05:45,329 --> 01:05:43,579
reactions you have to work up to that

1571
01:05:48,579 --> 01:05:45,339
sort of stuff

1572
01:05:51,579 --> 01:05:48,589
and it is why the plus shows are always

1573
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,589
better but I say this every week I still

1574
01:05:55,690 --> 01:05:53,599
think we got a great breakdown of the

1575
01:05:58,289 --> 01:05:55,700
field in the first hour lots of names

1576
01:06:01,180 --> 01:05:58,299
and inventions to investigate further

1577
01:06:03,099 --> 01:06:01,190
lots of thoughtful examinations of how

1578
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:03,109
the system attacks this field and what

1579
01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:05,750
we can do to counteract that a very

1580
01:06:10,450 --> 01:06:07,780
important piece of this puzzle clearly

1581
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:10,460
it is another case where I would love

1582
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:12,890
for everyone to hear every bit of the

1583
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,210
full two hour show

1584
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:17,359
but programs like this only survived in

1585
01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:18,380
three ways

1586
01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:20,980
reliance on sponsors and advertisers

1587
01:06:25,870 --> 01:06:23,900
being subsidized and funded by major

1588
01:06:27,789 --> 01:06:25,880
networks even though you lose the money

1589
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:27,799
because you're still suiting an agenda

1590
01:06:35,380 --> 01:06:31,940
of theirs or direct a or B listener

1591
01:06:38,349 --> 01:06:35,390
funding there is really no other way for

1592
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,359
a show to generate staying power and how

1593
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:40,160
much more can i really give before a

1594
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:42,049
particular listener might think that

1595
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:45,470
they should reciprocate I mean you

1596
01:06:50,770 --> 01:06:48,230
already get half and my pitch for Plus

1597
01:06:52,930 --> 01:06:50,780
is a bit different than most because I'm

1598
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:52,940
really not hurting I mean hey did you

1599
01:06:58,569 --> 01:06:56,630
see my new car but THC is not going

1600
01:07:00,579 --> 01:06:58,579
anywhere I'm not going to pretend that

1601
01:07:03,130 --> 01:07:00,589
we might disappear suddenly if you don't

1602
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:03,140
sign up soon there is no threat

1603
01:07:08,530 --> 01:07:05,420
insinuated or gun to your proverbial

1604
01:07:10,690 --> 01:07:08,540
head it's really just that you're

1605
01:07:12,430 --> 01:07:10,700
missing out on a lot you're clearly

1606
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:12,440
already into this stuff and if you're

1607
01:07:15,579 --> 01:07:14,390
gonna give a waiter 8 bucks for writing

1608
01:07:17,550 --> 01:07:15,589
down how you like your steak and

1609
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:17,560
bringing you five plates of food

1610
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:19,420
I would like to think that the service

1611
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:23,500
here is at least that good but whatever

1612
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:25,390
I guess I should also just throw in the

1613
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:28,570
plus show topics now but outside of the

1614
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:31,030
plasma stuff and the Sapphire project we

1615
01:07:36,270 --> 01:07:33,670
also touched on some other highlights

1616
01:07:39,180 --> 01:07:36,280
from the history of free or clean energy

1617
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:39,190
devices and engines the potential

1618
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:42,090
dangers of working with unseen energies

1619
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:45,370
the work of Ken shoulders and also

1620
01:07:50,340 --> 01:07:47,530
what's happening in the realm of Health

1621
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:50,350
and healing devices and I do hope the

1622
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:52,030
health and healing devices is there

1623
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:54,190
follow-up book lots of exciting stuff

1624
01:07:59,610 --> 01:07:55,930
there too and they definitely seem to

1625
01:08:01,590 --> 01:07:59,620
have their finger on that pulse so there

1626
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:01,600
we have it for the people who have

1627
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:03,790
written me and said they're tiring of

1628
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,470
this topic and want to get back to a

1629
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:08,140
wider range of themes I hear you we are

1630
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:11,080
doing that now but I'm definitely going

1631
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:13,810
to be keeping tabs on this field for

1632
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:16,060
anything new or different that makes the

1633
01:08:20,610 --> 01:08:19,210
whole thing worth revisiting and check

1634
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:20,620
out the book if you want to dive in

1635
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,569
further if you have people in your life

1636
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:25,359
that are reading science books or neil

1637
01:08:30,130 --> 01:08:28,120
degrasse tyson's dribble this is the

1638
01:08:32,410 --> 01:08:30,140
book they really need

1639
01:08:34,660 --> 01:08:32,420
and that's the show I'm so glad they

1640
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:34,670
were willing to do it big thanks to both

1641
01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:37,940
guests it came out really well two

1642
01:08:41,380 --> 01:08:39,350
guests can sometimes be a bit

1643
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:41,390
challenging for the editor and big

1644
01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:44,570
thanks to him to the next episode coming

1645
01:08:48,610 --> 01:08:46,940
atcha is completely off the radar you

1646
01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:48,620
probably couldn't guess it if you tried

1647
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:53,080
I'll give you a one-word clue walrus

1648
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:54,890
I've said too much

1649
01:08:59,830 --> 01:08:57,650
I'm getting out of here your move secret

1650
01:09:01,570 --> 01:08:59,840
science suppressors hidden energy hiders

1651
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:01,580
and upholders of the corporate energy

1652
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:15,310
applecart your [\h__\h] oh no you see no

1653
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:20,160
it's attached to power strength control

1654
01:09:34,329 --> 01:09:29,280
95 is trying to steal yeah now don't

1655
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:34,339
that job seem silly hello

1656
01:09:44,349 --> 01:09:40,190
here I should I play back recordings

1657
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:44,359
from some spy agency which we were

1658
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:45,380
younger

1659
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:48,770
[Music]

1660
01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:52,740
I'll be thankful when it's all expose

1661
01:10:10,520 --> 01:09:58,160
the vets we receive such a difference

1662
01:11:08,770 --> 01:10:18,430
[Music]

1663
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:08,780
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

1664
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:13,580
of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry

1665
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:22,090
there's good and well did you ever hear

1666
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:26,300
argument the nothing really happens it's

1667
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:28,660
no secret